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	<title>Comments on: Enterprise 2.0, Social Media Marketing, and Social Business Design</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua-Michéle Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua-Michéle Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,
I  have long admired your thinking and followed you for some time.  As an O&#039;Reilly alumni I felt you were one of the  &quot;outsiders&quot; to get what Tim was talking about with Web 2.0.  so you have great street cred :-)

Like you I  believe that we are at the beginning of some tectonic shifts in how business gets done.
The challenge you have is in trying to convey the depth of your thinking and the value of your offering to those outside your company.  Ironically you have a marketing problem.
You have chosen to clarify a new term (social business) with other new terms (hivemind, metafilter etc.) which makes it doubly hard to get inside of the core concept of social business design.
One thing that might help is to begin speaking in stories and examples that illustrate these four &quot;archetypes&quot; in the unequivocal language of a case study so that we can understand more clearly (1) who has effectively deployed a &quot;metafilter&quot; for example, (2) how do you calibrate it and (3) what does the result feel like.

I look forward to keeping up with the good work you are doing.
Best,
Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,<br />
I  have long admired your thinking and followed you for some time.  As an O&#8217;Reilly alumni I felt you were one of the  &#8220;outsiders&#8221; to get what Tim was talking about with Web 2.0.  so you have great street cred <img src='http://dachisgroup.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Like you I  believe that we are at the beginning of some tectonic shifts in how business gets done.<br />
The challenge you have is in trying to convey the depth of your thinking and the value of your offering to those outside your company.  Ironically you have a marketing problem.<br />
You have chosen to clarify a new term (social business) with other new terms (hivemind, metafilter etc.) which makes it doubly hard to get inside of the core concept of social business design.<br />
One thing that might help is to begin speaking in stories and examples that illustrate these four &#8220;archetypes&#8221; in the unequivocal language of a case study so that we can understand more clearly (1) who has effectively deployed a &#8220;metafilter&#8221; for example, (2) how do you calibrate it and (3) what does the result feel like.</p>
<p>I look forward to keeping up with the good work you are doing.<br />
Best,<br />
Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we&#039;re getting to the point of the post here. I&#039;ve cited two thought leaders already (McAfee and Forrester) and given credit for their work. It&#039;s analysis of the work contained in those concepts, along with additional insight into business strategy, process, and technology that has led to Social Business Design. Some might even call it a &quot;big idea.&quot; It&#039;s not something we&#039;re selling - it&#039;s the shape of what business will become. The depth of our thinking is captured in the thought piece we&#039;ve made available to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we&#8217;re getting to the point of the post here. I&#8217;ve cited two thought leaders already (McAfee and Forrester) and given credit for their work. It&#8217;s analysis of the work contained in those concepts, along with additional insight into business strategy, process, and technology that has led to Social Business Design. Some might even call it a &#8220;big idea.&#8221; It&#8217;s not something we&#8217;re selling &#8211; it&#8217;s the shape of what business will become. The depth of our thinking is captured in the thought piece we&#8217;ve made available to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Josh Bernoff</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bernoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I re-read the post.

I find your ideas and your company&#039;s ideas fascinating and valuable.

You analyzed vendors at Forrester, so you know vendors&#039; claims need to be evaluated from the standpoint of where they are in the market and what they are trying to accomplish.

Your &quot;thought leaders&quot; statement would be far more convincing if it linked to other thought leaders. Your argument would be stronger. I have seen them out there -- why not cite them?

As a vendor, not just a thought leader yourself, you have a responsibility to present more evidence, including evidence from outside your own company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I re-read the post.</p>
<p>I find your ideas and your company&#8217;s ideas fascinating and valuable.</p>
<p>You analyzed vendors at Forrester, so you know vendors&#8217; claims need to be evaluated from the standpoint of where they are in the market and what they are trying to accomplish.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;thought leaders&#8221; statement would be far more convincing if it linked to other thought leaders. Your argument would be stronger. I have seen them out there &#8212; why not cite them?</p>
<p>As a vendor, not just a thought leader yourself, you have a responsibility to present more evidence, including evidence from outside your own company.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s incorrect. Perhaps you should re-read the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s incorrect. Perhaps you should re-read the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? &#171; I&#8217;m Not Actually a Geek</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Would You Manage CRM with a Wiki? &#171; I&#8217;m Not Actually a Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dachis Group-like (&#8220;social business design&#8221;), [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Josh Bernoff</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bernoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to follow the thread. It seems as if you have developed a term and a model you like, and you&#039;re asking us all to to use it since your business is based on it.

&quot;It&#039;s time for us to straighten out the terminology we use when this describing this space&quot; . . . and use yours. Did I get that right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to follow the thread. It seems as if you have developed a term and a model you like, and you&#8217;re asking us all to to use it since your business is based on it.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s time for us to straighten out the terminology we use when this describing this space&#8221; . . . and use yours. Did I get that right?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Stephen,

Point understood.  Naming confers meaning and value - when used deliberately, it can be powerful.  We call our approach Social Business Design because it signifies something distinct, not an idea that is the same as everything else at its core.

If it is the same, I haven&#039;t yet heard from anyone who has taken the time to understand the depth of our thinking and respond with meaningful counterpoints. Blog posts like this one only scrape the surface. Real work and deeper thinking take place elsewhere, in formats that allow for much larger value creation and capture.

http://www.dachisgroup.com/PDFs/Social_Business_Design.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Stephen,</p>
<p>Point understood.  Naming confers meaning and value &#8211; when used deliberately, it can be powerful.  We call our approach Social Business Design because it signifies something distinct, not an idea that is the same as everything else at its core.</p>
<p>If it is the same, I haven&#8217;t yet heard from anyone who has taken the time to understand the depth of our thinking and respond with meaningful counterpoints. Blog posts like this one only scrape the surface. Real work and deeper thinking take place elsewhere, in formats that allow for much larger value creation and capture.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dachisgroup.com/PDFs/Social_Business_Design.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dachisgroup.com/PDFs/Social_Business_Design.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,

I&#039;ve always been a fan of your blog, subscribing to it via Google Reader and am an admirer of the work that you have done in the social media space. However, having been in marketing for well over a decade, online and off, I am wondering if some of these recent posts are falling into the classic marketeer trap of writing long-winded marketing-speak, full of 3-syllable buzzwords.

I have found over the years that clients - especially those that are not in marketing departments - will either ignore me, switch off or at worst shut me up when I begin talking/presenting in what they term as stereotypical marketing-speak. We are often criticised for not being tuned into the bottom-line aspects of business, of being theoretical instead of practical and of over-complicating business processes. A few years back I even had an MD (American CEO) tell me that if I said one more marketing buzzword she would have security throw me out.

In rewriting his work, the author DH Lawrence would ruthlessly slash and burn his day&#039;s work, cutting 3-syllable words down to 2 and 2-syllable words down to 1, simplifying his text as much as possible in seeking to communicate his ideas. Could we not learn a bit from how he turned simplicity into art?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been a fan of your blog, subscribing to it via Google Reader and am an admirer of the work that you have done in the social media space. However, having been in marketing for well over a decade, online and off, I am wondering if some of these recent posts are falling into the classic marketeer trap of writing long-winded marketing-speak, full of 3-syllable buzzwords.</p>
<p>I have found over the years that clients &#8211; especially those that are not in marketing departments &#8211; will either ignore me, switch off or at worst shut me up when I begin talking/presenting in what they term as stereotypical marketing-speak. We are often criticised for not being tuned into the bottom-line aspects of business, of being theoretical instead of practical and of over-complicating business processes. A few years back I even had an MD (American CEO) tell me that if I said one more marketing buzzword she would have security throw me out.</p>
<p>In rewriting his work, the author DH Lawrence would ruthlessly slash and burn his day&#8217;s work, cutting 3-syllable words down to 2 and 2-syllable words down to 1, simplifying his text as much as possible in seeking to communicate his ideas. Could we not learn a bit from how he turned simplicity into art?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/10/e20_smm_sbd/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above.</p>
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