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	<title>Comments on: A Tale of Two E20 Cities &#8211; From San Francisco to Frankfurt</title>
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		<title>By: Martijn Linssen</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/11/tale-of-two-e20-cities-san-francisco-frankfurt/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn Linssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog post, nicely summerising the last 2 months of debate as well as the E2.0 event (from what I got following the hashtag on Twitter. Well done!

No one can disagree with the fact that the way we&#039;re currently doing business, can be improved. And that social media is one of the ways of doing that, if the the way at this very moment

I tried explaining on my latest blog post (http://bit.ly/1Ntfdc) that the criticism is good, and it will help focus. But it shouldn&#039;t be argued that E2.0 is bad because it won&#039;t save the world. That&#039;s pretty much like arguing that it&#039;s not worth living because &quot;we&#039;re all gonna die anyway&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog post, nicely summerising the last 2 months of debate as well as the E2.0 event (from what I got following the hashtag on Twitter. Well done!</p>
<p>No one can disagree with the fact that the way we&#8217;re currently doing business, can be improved. And that social media is one of the ways of doing that, if the the way at this very moment</p>
<p>I tried explaining on my latest blog post (<a href="http://bit.ly/1Ntfdc" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1Ntfdc</a>) that the criticism is good, and it will help focus. But it shouldn&#8217;t be argued that E2.0 is bad because it won&#8217;t save the world. That&#8217;s pretty much like arguing that it&#8217;s not worth living because &#8220;we&#8217;re all gonna die anyway&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Bryant</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/11/tale-of-two-e20-cities-san-francisco-frankfurt/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well put sir!</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
		<link>http://www.dachisgroup.com/2009/11/tale-of-two-e20-cities-san-francisco-frankfurt/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO business has always been social ... only less so during the first 20 years of applying integrated IT systems to business processes in search of efficiency.

Unfortunately, reengineered business processes usually begin to be less effective, or &#039;fail&#039; when and because those social people who make up their customers and markets begin to want / need different things or interact around different issues and requirements.

The heyday of reengineering and multimillion dollar ERP and CRM implementations is fast drawing to not a close but an era in which hyperlinks and people will crawl all over the &#039;electronic concrete&#039; of large integrated systems like fast-growing ivy because, well, they are not flexible or responsive enough to the constant information flows which often do not fit into those business processes.

No customers like being prisoners of business processes.

I think we are entering anew phase of what would be a long-established maturation path ... and that path has long been informable by socio-technical systems principles.  The assumptions about technology that informed STS in the 60&#039;s through 80&#039;s did not foresee the capabilities now on offer via the Web ...  it&#039;s only now that we have the kinds of technology that allow people and the business processes to interact to positive effect for both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO business has always been social &#8230; only less so during the first 20 years of applying integrated IT systems to business processes in search of efficiency.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, reengineered business processes usually begin to be less effective, or &#8216;fail&#8217; when and because those social people who make up their customers and markets begin to want / need different things or interact around different issues and requirements.</p>
<p>The heyday of reengineering and multimillion dollar ERP and CRM implementations is fast drawing to not a close but an era in which hyperlinks and people will crawl all over the &#8216;electronic concrete&#8217; of large integrated systems like fast-growing ivy because, well, they are not flexible or responsive enough to the constant information flows which often do not fit into those business processes.</p>
<p>No customers like being prisoners of business processes.</p>
<p>I think we are entering anew phase of what would be a long-established maturation path &#8230; and that path has long been informable by socio-technical systems principles.  The assumptions about technology that informed STS in the 60&#8242;s through 80&#8242;s did not foresee the capabilities now on offer via the Web &#8230;  it&#8217;s only now that we have the kinds of technology that allow people and the business processes to interact to positive effect for both.</p>
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